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Alavaria Fera
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:51:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Why make a new post to say exactly the same thing as the last GM post and not even try to address the concerns raised? Just say "htfu" and be done with it. Because now everything left in the other thread can be ignored, and people won't repost it all here. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:53:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Blizzard has been extremely successful with these baby steps in WoW. "At this point in time we have no plans to..." You mean like how one year they make an april fools joke out of how ******** the idea of gear score is http://www.wowwiki.com/Equipment_Potency_EquivalencE_NumberThen proceed to not only include it in game as an attribute on the character sheet, but actually use it as a content entry restriction feature. Tera Online does this.
Equipment Level or something There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:07:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Why make a new post to say exactly the same thing as the last GM post and not even try to address the concerns raised? Just say "htfu" and be done with it.
For all the weasel words we're left with a rule that by the plain meaning of the words bans most nefarious acts in Eve. Well except for isk doublers in Jita, thank god they were spared. Yeah I gotta say I'm really not impressed with this response. There was no real follow-through here: a boilerplate statement, and then a statement that "well we can't answer any questions". I'm pretty much left with the impression this was solely a delaying tactic and GM Grimmi is neither reading nor responding to any of the concerns. Do you have the impression that it is a successful delaying tactic?
Such strategies have been efficient in the past There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:07:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Georgina Parmala wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Blizzard has been extremely successful with these baby steps in WoW. "At this point in time we have no plans to..." You mean like how one year they make an april fools joke out of how ******** the idea of gear score is http://www.wowwiki.com/Equipment_Potency_EquivalencE_NumberThen proceed to not only include it in game as an attribute on the character sheet, but actually use it as a content entry restriction feature. Tera Online does this. Equipment Level or something I liked E-PEEN better I was Item Level actually, ILEVEL
Works very much like the troll EPEEN number hilariously There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:12:00 -
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Maraner wrote:Do you guys not realize what you have? You have a real point of difference from other MMO's and it looks like your trying to throw that away. I once talked someone to coming to a gate to help me out, I lied and cheated this guy into getting into a position that we could kill his ship. It was great, afterwards we all had a good laugh at it including the guy that was ganked (yes seriously) he called me a mupper - fair point too. These days apparently he could petition my actions and possibly get me banned.
Fantastic. The new eve online, harsh and cold if you're a scammer There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 08:29:00 -
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Melienia wrote:GM Grimmi wrote:Greetings pilots,
We would like to address your concerns regarding the update to article 8 of our TOS that was published yesterday. Some basic information on how we deal with issues that come up regarding impersonation is therefore appropriate.
All cases are investigated individually on a case by case basis. If there are complications or difficulties in reaching a solution cases are moved to senior game masters, which happens a lot with the impersonation issues that are reported to us. There are no magic catch-all rules and policies to cover every eventuality so they must interpret the rules we have in place and apply them to the issue at hand in order to keep the peace. For all practical purposes there has been no change in how impersonation issues will be handled compared to the last few years. The TOS update reflects the way reported cases of impersonation have been handled by Customer Support for a long time. The rules applied have been buried in our naming policy and EULA but have now been placed in plain view in order to better help players to make decisions on how they interact with one another.
As cases are investigated GMs look at the information that is available, one of the important considerations being the intent behind a playerGÇÖs actions. Benevolent roleplaying of NPC entities may not be considered to warrant action in regards to impersonation while malicious activity employing such trickery will not be tolerated.
One concern is that we have pretty much banned all scams in EVE. Clearly, this is not the case. Ahem... I'm sorry, didn't you guys get the memo? Eve players don't fall for this type of obfuscating wordplay. Remember Incarna? Make with the real clarification now, please. That's what you think.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 08:31:00 -
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So basically, get banned and try to get someone to care about the scammer that got banned under the umbrella of "impersonating".
Sure. After the person disappears I guess there's no real issue, it's just a scammer after all. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 08:31:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:GM Karidor wrote:Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay. I'm not trying to sound too bitter, but I heard that before. And the "something" that was written up was the anti-clarification that is the OP here. So now that we know, from you, that GM Grimmi was not representing or even misrepresenting CCPs stance on this issue, can we petition him under the new TOS since he portraited himself to be something he wasn't? A good point. Let us all report the post. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 08:32:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:MotherSammy wrote:So yes, claiming to be an alt of a known character has always been against the rules. If it was, that rule had been spectacularly inconsistently applied until very recently. (See: the Freighter AWOXing story, also virtually every AWOX alt ever) Then I guess everyone who gets awoxed from now on knows what to put in their petition. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 08:33:00 -
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Seras VictoriaX wrote:GM Karidor wrote:Just popping into here quickly to ask some patience in this matter and to please hold your horses, at least until tomorrow. We are currently in the process of writing something up that will (hopefully) give you some better insight regarding this ToS change and clear up some misunderstandings. I hope to have this done until tomorrow around noon (GMT), but will update here should there be any further delay. Then you shouldnt of had GM Grimmi start this thread off with a wall of text that said nothing. At this point it really seems like you guys are just stalling for time so that people forget / ignore this. From 30 pages in a day to now... 1 page after a day.
It's effective. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 15:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:If Retirement Fund Admin, the CEO of the GSF executor corp, claims to be Mittens, any person that isn't completely incapable of functioning in everyday life would likely conclude "yes, this guy is Mittens" assuming that they're aware that Mittens is the leader of GSF, a fact that isn't exactly secret in this game
That anybody would possibly suggest that people in similar situations need to prove who they are, under threat of punitive action against their accounts, is beyond belief What happens if Retirement Fund Admin was banned? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 15:49:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Andski wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Their stance will probably end up being "Work your ass off to prove who you are if you are to benefit from some dealings". Right, but you see, the traditional route is to prove to the other party that I am who I say I am and that I can follow through with a transaction. The consequence of failing to do so has also traditionally been a deal that falls through, not a ******* ban You will either have to count on the other side not petitionning or managing the deals without any lies on who you are. If you prove to be the alt of andski and the deal goes through, it will most likely not be accitionnable because you never impersonated someone you were not. If you pretend to be Weaselior's alt and the deal pass through, you will still be in danger yes because you cannot prove you are his alt. Now on the important silly point to all scammers : WATCH OUT for reverse scamming attempt. If your mark is too easy, it might be a scam to get you banned afterward. Is this the new scamming? Where you aim to get the sucker banned? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 15:50:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Weaselior wrote:"you insufficiently proved you were an alt of yourself and you are now banned. as you are a bad, TOS breaking person, we banned all of your accounts including your main that you were impersonating" I know it's stupid but thats the only way I can see to be safe in doing buisness. Their policies it to not hunt down people and this is not said to have changed so as long as you are not reported, you will be ok. If you get reported, then having proved who you were will be important. Except: who's going to be doing the reporting? Dispassionate people with an understanding and respect for EVE's culture and history? Not only does this encourage RAEG at being tricked, it could backfire as a way to grief people who just aren't quite clever enough. Could backfire? It seems people who lose out always want to petition unless they've done so before and been laughed at.
Now they might as well always try, you might get your stuff back and get the bad guy banned. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 16:51:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:I just thought about it a bit, and I'm not sure that safari and wardec alts will necessarily be affected so much. You can, with depressingly high odds, simply apply to a lot of corps blindly, get accepted, and do whatever. I would also be interested to know where something like this falls: tl;dr, using pick-up artist techniques to sweet-talk your way into corps. It will depend if CCP think you should state who you are. If not then it should pass. If not, well they can claim you are impersonating a newbie... Oh my, yes.
I must keep this in mind if ever someone does this to my corp/ There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:03:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:I mean, many of the events that caused the largest influx of players to Eve online (i.e. made the news) were relating to scams and meta-gaming that is now bannable under the TOS.
If you can't see why your player-base is completely up in arms that you're now banning the very same behaviour that made them subscribe in the first place, you have a huge issue.
I guess I wonder less and less why Soundwave leaped off the boat, he smelt smoke. Maybe he was about to get caught for impersonating someone There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:05:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:Seras VictoriaX wrote:Aryth wrote:Yeah, I tend to agree. Can we get someone more senior in CCP to chime in here? This has descended into bizzaro land at this point. This is getting insane. Can we also get some more CSM posts in this thread? -Thank you +1 to both of these statements. The GM responses are not what we should be hearing. I think they've clarified that you scammers, yes you badguy scammers, are screwed. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:18:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I think they've clarified that you scammers, yes you badguy scammers, are screwed. Yes, how dare Eve have Scammers. And how dare Eve open up morale options in a sandbox game. And how dare there be penalties for being naive, lazy, or ignorant. And how dare I look good because of the morale choices available to me, those should be banned too. And let's ban options now as well. Holy cow, you put a 100MN AB on your Tengu, that was never intended, therefore we're going to ban that too, cuz it misrepresents the Tengu's abilities. You put Lazors on your Rifter? How dare you! You are banned also for misrepresenting the Minmatar race. Role-playing an escaped Minmatar slave? How dare you represent a slave when you are an aging, bald white American who lives with his parents! Ban for you as well! Yeah, screw all the people !
Can't roleplay as a New Order person either because apparently they don't exist. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:30:00 -
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Rhes wrote:This is why GMs should enforce policy and not make policy. But I thought they said early on the policy never changed.
Did they... LIE TO US?! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:38:00 -
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Theophilas wrote:Did you dumbbells just frigging ban awoxing with this dumb TOS update?
Where's my goddamn butterfly effect???????????? You're seeing it?
ALTERNATIVELY
The butterfly may have been banned. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:39:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Random Majere wrote:And I though high sec miners were cry babies!!
Cultural change hurts !! you should be banned for impersonating a horrible poste... hahaha no you're safe nw bro Heh, burn There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:40:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Kojaxe LeAppljaxe wrote:Whoever that GM was should be fired. Irony: It was the Senior GM. guess i'll be asking for my petitions to be demoted rather than escalated now so i might get a response that makes sense I'm sure whoever you scam will make sure this particular gm gets to ban you There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:44:00 -
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greiton starfire wrote:also since apparently these rules have been in effect for 1.5 years minimum should we start retroactively petitioning everything that has happened now? i expect 3/4 of eve banned by tomorrow. We need one of those lawyer advertisements:
If YOU have been scammed, you may be able to recover items and isk lost by your stupidity due to the IMPERSONATION clause in the TOS. Petition today There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:02:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:La Nariz wrote:22 pages and we still have the same explanation from a couple days ago with more words that don't clarify anything. Oh no, we've gotten plenty of clarification, it's just been "the rules have always been more terrible than anyone anticipated". So, should we bend over a little more, how much? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:04:00 -
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Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:There should be more threads like this about eve wrong stuff, eve would be a better a place :). Censorship leads to frustration or even leaving the game. Listening to player base instead makes the company look better and makes player happier.
I don't care much about scamming (even if the impersonating stuff went a little to far tbh,make clear rules) but threads like this makes me feel alive , or at least beeing part of something. They have clearly been listening with their game-changing "clarifications", and their boilerplate copy and paste and "this is not the change you are looking for" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:09:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:So if I'm reading this right the "clarification" bans scamming and most of the metagame. Two huge sources of free advertising for CCP, why is this a good idea now? Who said it is a good idea now?
It's always been like that There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:16:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Rhes wrote:La Nariz wrote:So if I'm reading this right the "clarification" bans scamming and most of the metagame. Two huge sources of free advertising for CCP, why is this a good idea now? I think it's good for the GM team who are apparently tired of dealing with scam-related petitions. The easiest answer to that is a button that replies to a petition with this then closes it: Dear (insert scammed capsuleer here), You have been scammed, this is a good lesson for you please learn from it. Do not petition this again. Best, (GM team) But perhaps they want to ban scammers.
Dear (scammer),
Screw you. Enjoy your ban.
Best,
(GM team*)
*Note: I am not a gm team There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:18:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:La Nariz wrote:So if I'm reading this right the "clarification" bans scamming and most of the metagame. Two huge sources of free advertising for CCP, why is this a good idea now? Who said it is a good idea now? It's always been like that Obviously someone thought it was a good idea to do this. Maybe they were scammed or metagamed before. Well someone far back when they wrote the original tos
They just forgot to clarifiy that they intended no scamming, until someone figured it out just recently.
You know, that means EVE Online has been misrepresented to us. Petition eve online There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:19:00 -
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Rena Senn wrote:I guess this means every corp and alliance out there with the NPC entity " Legion" in their name is now due for a false representation petition. Hmmm... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:08:00 -
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Ali Aras wrote:With all that said, this thread has made clear that there remains some unhappiness with the policy as written and intended by CCP. This unhappiness has been noted by the CSM, and we can and will follow up on the policy itself. However, that process is a longer one that will take place internally; rioting in this thread is unlikely to be effective. Given the way the CSM process has worked so far and the success we've had in other conversations, I look forward to future productive discussions with CCP, and hope to be able to share results of those in the future. So basically, we just wait for you to get back to us and say "yeah, get bent" ?
Ok. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:27:00 -
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Copypasta wrote:Ali Aras wrote:rioting in this thread is unlikely to be effective. The Threadnaught never happened. There is no such thing as a Threadnaught. Mass complaints have never yielded anything in the history of EVE-O. --noted Baghdad Bob impersonator Ali Aras Petitioning There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:28:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Ali Aras wrote:La Nariz wrote:22 pages and we still have the same explanation from a couple days ago with more words that don't clarify anything. On the contrary, the new explanation (the one by GM Karidor) lays out the reasoning behind the TOS change and quotes the other policy that the TOS is being brought into line with. It's pretty clear to me now what CCP's views on impersonation are; while the specifics of any particular scheme are a bit fuzzy, I'm content with knowing that as long as I'm not doing something blatantly out there, I won't get instabant. its just me but I don't consider identifying myself as myself when on an alt something "blatantly out there" But the TOS has been clarified, and clearly has always considered it as such There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:38:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Vatek wrote:Georgina Parmala wrote:Heimdallofasgard wrote:HEY GUYS! I JUST IMPERSONATED MY ALT AND TRADED MY MAIN SAYING I WAS GOING TO TRANSPORT SOME LOOT TO JITA FOR MYSELF...
I MADE THE FOOLISH MISTAKE OF BELIEVING MYSELF AND NOW I HAVE ALL MY PHAT LOOT INSTEAD OF ME :'(
should I have used a courier contract? I'm pretty pissed off with myself for scamming me, I think myself should be banned but I don't believe I should be.
How do I legal? I like bashing this stupidity as much as the next guy, but lets have some common sense for a minute. The clarifying post clearly clarified that the person in im personation is defined as a character. A opposed to the player behind it, or an arbitrary entity such as an account. Lets say Solstice Project makes an alt. [ISMETA] wardecs a corporation. He approaches the corporation with the alt and says "I'm Solstice project's alt, give me 100 mil and I drop the dec". They pay up and contact Solstice about the transaction. He says no, that's not my alt you got scammed. What the nice GM is saying is that it does not matter that the alt is in fact the same player, or even on the same account as the main character. He falsely spoke on behalf of the main with malicious intent. So the alt gets a name change and a time out. Okay, let's talk common sense. Why should that be punishable and why should CCP protect people from their own stupidity? Never said it should be, that's pants-on-head ******** in the context of EvE. But lets not make ourselves look like idiots and dilute valid arguments with hurr durr banned for scamming myself. If impersonation is to be against the TOS as above, it has to apply to the above scenario equally. That doesn't mean I agree impersonation of a regular player entity should be anything for GM's to meddle with (as opposed to impersonation of CCP/ISD/scamming someone's login credentials and selling him on the character bazaar). Players taking such in-game actions should be given in-game tools to enact in-game consequences on "bad people" creating the content this game thrives on. Not told to run to mommy before they even enter the sandbox. Can you not open a petition in game? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Vatek wrote:Ali Aras wrote:Vatek wrote: Edit: by the way, as a CSM member you're supposed to be speaking on behalf of the interests OF THE PLAYERS, not acting as a mouthpiece supporting CCP's terrible decisions.
Ali Aras wrote: With all that said, this thread has made clear that there remains some unhappiness with the policy as written and intended by CCP. This unhappiness has been noted by the CSM, and we can and will follow up on the policy itself. However, that process is a longer one that will take place internally; rioting in this thread is unlikely to be effective. Given the way the CSM process has worked so far and the success we've had in other conversations, I look forward to future productive discussions with CCP, and hope to be able to share results of those in the future.
So we should just not discuss it at all and trust the CSM to read our minds? I wasn't aware that using a forum intended for discussion about the game to discuss the game was "ineffective rioting". Shut up and leave our gods to decide how much they want to punish us for being bad people There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Basically they will "stay the course" over your face. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Cierra Royce wrote:500million for half an hour? Sounds so wrong There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Copypasta wrote:Can we petition to CCP to dismiss CSM members for gross incompetence and inability to communicate? Or at the very least force them to take courses in public relations? I think CSM could be a much better flameshield for CCP.
As it is, they're adding fuel to the blaze There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Tippia wrote:Copypasta wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Be nice, she is only trying to be diplomatic. Don't shoot the messenger and all that.. Never not shoot messengers. No, no. He's right. Shooting them is no good. You tar and feather them and send them back as a message. Choose your next words carefully
sparta movie kick There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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greiton starfire wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'll be honest i haven't massively been following this thread; does the ToS agree with the GMs posts yet? nope now we have, "case by case basis" instead. so gm's can say screw what the tos says and do what they want. oh joy, it's like GM Russian Roulette There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Amenio wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Copypasta wrote:Can we petition to CCP to dismiss CSM members for gross incompetence and inability to communicate? Or at the very least force them to take courses in public relations? I think CSM could be a much better flameshield for CCP. As it is, they're adding fuel to the blaze I have some problem on seeing how you could say anything to defend this change without the words function as fuel. Well then maybe they shouldn't try so openly to sell us this new ccp "clarification" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Ali Aras wrote:Vatek wrote: So we should just not discuss it at all and trust the CSM to read our minds? I wasn't aware that using a forum intended for discussion about the game to discuss the game was "ineffective rioting". Last I heard, rioting worked pretty well to reverse the Incarna trainwreck!
Brushing us off with "okay we're gonna yap with CCP about this and release a crappy devblog 2 months from now that doesn't actually address anything" sucks.
Productive posting is fine and great. I use it as a CSM member to distill into better feedback; you're right that I don't read any minds. I also receive substantial assistance in representation via private messages such as evemails. I do also *play* the game, and have been both perpetrator and victim of the types of scams covered under this update. The bit about rioting in this thread was to attempt to dissuade people from making 100x posts saying "this is bad ccp sux see the csm agrees"; contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done. I was unaware that posting acknowledging concerns and promising to use the tools at my disposal to work to resolve them constituted a "brush-off". I meant what I said when I said that I'd seen a lot of good come out of the CSM process, more than just "a devblog once in a while". The fact that we work primarily under NDA and outside of the public eye can make it hard to see, especially when our efforts avert a crisis instead of responding to one. National Security There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Copypasta wrote:Ali Aras wrote:contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done. How do you get into the CSM while evidently living under a rock? Well, when a bunch of dumb pubbies love one another very much There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Copypasta wrote:Also my previous point still stands: Ali Aras, you are really, really bad at PR. Please stop. No, by all means, continue.
If ccp and their wannabes learn to just leave things until players forget we'd have all sorts of trouble There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Copypasta wrote:This is not meant as an insult. No one is born a PR wizard. It is a complex skill that requires a lot of effort to master.
You do not have this skill. You have none of it. Ali Aras, please put that keyboard down this can only end in tears No, even though it's making the situation worse, it will lead to a better outcome for the game than allowing this to be rammed up our proverbial rear, stealthily or not There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Tak149 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Copypasta wrote:Also my previous point still stands: Ali Aras, you are really, really bad at PR. Please stop. No, by all means, continue. If ccp and their wannabes learn to just leave things until players forget we'd have all sorts of trouble Half of me wants him to stop. And half of me can't stop laughing. Which half is impersonating being you There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Bayushi Tamago wrote:I was merely trying to establish what caused the change in the first place - that they felt the need to alter the ToS implies that they feel the naming conventions aren't sufficient to lessen their petition queue Now there's even more reason to petition There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Azzurian wrote:Oh and since im posting with an alt. And not taking the time to log in my main dabigredboat, does this mean ill get banned for posting as dabigredboat since I am too lazy to swap accounts? You can verify this by telling us a story
:colbert: There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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We're at 31 pages, can we get a new expanded "clarification" in a new thread and lock this one, tia There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Does this mean that I, and my alts, can petition Goons for impersonating a group that's good/bad at Eve? Can I also petition a certain poster, who like the idea of arenas, for impersonating somebody who has a clue?
As I said just after the final GM clarification of the clarification of the clarification of the totally not changed ToS, this smacks of Wowification.
The statues in Jita and Amarr are looking good, they may well get some GÖÑ laser love GÖÑ if CCP don't sort this godawful mess out. Haha, like anyone cares about you evil scammers
Take that statue and ram a clarification up its There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Saila Sarai wrote:Maybe, just maybe, have a competent lawyer look over your TOS as well...you know you can't just put everything in there that you think is beneficial for you. Because the TOS is, like people said, a legal document. You certainly don't want one of the banhammered people have your TOS torn apart by a court of law. Oh, goonswarm has lawyers who are probably looking for the best way to legaltroll this There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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http://i.imgur.com/hOF3T6I.png
https://twitter.com/CCP_karkur/status/377891989263777792
Apparently the problem is we're not being nice, guys There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Pyth2 wrote:So if someone is asking pyth2 here a question related to goonwaffe and I respond with pyth3, a neutral jita alt am I impersonating myself and misrepresenting my corp/alliance?
This policy is ******* dumb and stinks of GM Butthurt & GM Publord trying to change the game to reflect how they think it should be changed. **** this ****, lets burn Jita. I'm a publord and I find the new "totally not changed, even though we changed it to make playing the metagame a bannable offence" ToS(h) downright intellectually challenged. Totally with you on burning something. Yes, let's give everyone a nice grr goons distraction.
If you try to sell burn jita "avoid gank" passes though you might be banned There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Ganque wrote:Pyth2 wrote:So if someone is asking pyth2 here a question related to goonwaffe and I respond with pyth3, a neutral jita alt am I impersonating myself and misrepresenting my corp/alliance?
This policy is ******* dumb and stinks of GM Butthurt & GM Publord trying to change the game to reflect how they think it should be changed. **** this ****, lets burn Jita. I see what you're saying, So just to be clear do goonswarm recruit outside the SA forums? We have pubbies (in the sense of not owning a SA account when they joined GoonWaffe) in GoonWaffe There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Yes, let's give everyone a nice grr goons distraction.
If you try to sell burn jita "avoid gank" passes though you might be banned What about selling hot dogs to spectators? I don't know, it seems interacting with players can carry significant "getting banned by gm" risks. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Yes, let's give everyone a nice grr goons distraction.
If you try to sell burn jita "avoid gank" passes though you might be banned What about selling hot dogs to spectators? I glanced at that and initially read it as sell hot drops to spectators. If I sell someone a spectator ticket to a hot drop, but don't actually have access to a bridging ship, does that mean they can report me for falsely representing myself as a member of the hotdropper player group? Well if they don't leave highsec, then... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Dextrust wrote:Anyone up for shooting some monuments? Sorry busy shooting stuff in Delve There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Echo Echoplex wrote:All larfs aside, I don't even know this game well yet and even I can foresee a veritable Vesuvius of tickets submitted due to the fuzziness of this TOS.
If the EULA can't be reworded or applied more succinctly than "case-by-case" on such a fundamental game mechanic as this one, then I'm picturing people being pulled from every department to handle the insane flurry of nonstop petitions which, being "case-by-case" will each take up-what?- at least 10-30 minutes apiece to handle and relay? And be coming in at the rate of maybe a kazillion an hour? Petitioning would become the new meta.
This is already the hardest game to master. Now I have to try to master the EULA too? Yes, I see. A real step-up in difficulty above the standard MMO.
Legal mechanics There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Doris Dents wrote:Silliest thing about this change is verifying someone's claimed identity is about the easiest thing in EVE. If I claim to be working for Shamis Orzoz and say I can get you into PL for 1bn it's ridiculously simple to verify my claims by just EVEmailing Shamis. Restricting the sandbox for such an easily avoided pitfall is just dumb.
Especially as it'll have a huge chilling effect on not just scamming but meta-gaming in general because people don't like risking their accounts based on "We know this is really broad but trust Random GM#92312 to apply it sensibly ok?" Maybe this is what eve needs and we're the bad guys here There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Orakkus wrote:James Fnord wrote:The GMs pulling this kind of stuff is completely unacceptable. They need to be reigned in and a dev needs to post here with an explanation. As someone else said earlier.. this situation is now above just having a random dev stopping by to "clear things up". The CSM, as per CSM Member Ali Aras indicated they were given forenotice of this and from the way it sounds, by and large the CSM was okay with the results. Now, you'll notice that none have really responded on Twitter about this issue.. in fact they seem to be especially quiet. While that could be them busily talking with CCP about fixing this issue. "How can we make them shut up" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Sirane Elrek wrote:Rhes wrote:The CSM response to this issue has been embarrassing. Not quite as embarrassing as the CCP response though. Altogether embarrassing. All around There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Sirane Elrek wrote:Sid Hudgens wrote:I bet they use it on a case-by-case basis... They don't use it a lot at all though, because looking arbitrary doesn't actually get you a lot of consumer good-will. That's why there's other rules in the Terms of Service, even if you could just conduct your day-to-day bannings with that catch-all clause. Well, good thing their careful clarifications have shored up good-will. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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James Fnord wrote:Our main problem with this is that it makes illegal a large number of activities that were previously legal. And those activities are part of the cultural makeup that Eve has and is the main reason a lot of people play the game in the first place. Maybe this the cultural revolution eve has needed.
A kinder, less harsh, warmer eve. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Ok CCP, at this point, we don't need another GM stopping by, clarifying and rehashing this not a change change. YOu guys have done a great job explaining it, in minute detail. I'm glad you agree. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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John Ryuk wrote:This is to cut down on scammers, and I'm for it. Yeah !! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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La Nariz wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:James Fnord wrote:Our main problem with this is that it makes illegal a large number of activities that were previously legal. And those activities are part of the cultural makeup that Eve has and is the main reason a lot of people play the game in the first place. Maybe this the cultural revolution eve has needed. A kinder, less harsh, warmer eve. Someone peed in the space water? Multiple someones.
Check the OP of the thread There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Fix Lag wrote:John Ryuk wrote: It's against Federal Law to smoke ********* yet they do it in WA and CO, but the federal law is rarley enforced, but you push you luck then the local pd can charge you with a Federal Charge instead of a state charge to make it stick.
This rule is likely to be rarley enforced unless someone pushes there luck.
It's a legal tool at there desposial if they need to use it.
They should utilize the "we don't like you" clause of the EULA and ban you for posting crimes against humanity. I think they like having people blindly support them. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Sid Hudgens wrote: Your argument doesn't track with me...
In this situation the GMs are the police officers and the "speed limit" is clearly marked as "don't impersonate anyone."
Except they are not clearly marked. The letter of the law says that if I undock and rename my Ibis to Kenny's Ibis I am now to be punished for impersonating Kenny. Naming my Cheetah shuttle as I often do is now a gray area as I am misrepresenting myself. We are literally being told lying is out the window and you better be doing everything with good intentions in mind, but scamming is still OK. Sid Hudgens wrote: I don't see where anyone from CCP has suggested that any violation of the "letter of the law" results in instant ban-hammer...?
As I understand a recent "100kph over" incident resulted in a first offence perma-ban-hammer swing. For comparison, someone modifying game code to bot a 30 barge army while they sleep gets a 3 strike rule. So you're saying that botting is not as evil as scamming...
No wait, not you but the GMs There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Le Creed wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:John Ryuk wrote:This is to cut down on scammers, and I'm for it. Yeah !! Those pesky scammers and griefers are ruining my mining operation! DOWN WITH SCAMMERS~~~ Mining operation where you whip your slaves back and forth right? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Sirane Elrek wrote:John Ryuk wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:John Ryuk wrote:Anyway, this change was brought around do to people impersonating, CCP GM's and or Devs and scamming new players and making them quit. says who impersonating a dev or GM was forbidden even before this change so I'm gonna have to see some proof for your claim here Sit in JITA and watch local or any of the new start systems share logs, I've never seen somebody pretend to be a dev or GM in jita also scamming newbies in the starter systems has long been classified as forbidden griefing by CCP, so yeah that's not it either care to try again? You're a goon, you're just scared There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Sirane Elrek wrote:Sid Hudgens wrote:Is there any reason to believe that they're going to go off the deep end now? Or would it be more reasonable to think that they will reserve the ban-hammer for extreme cases? Oh I'm not going to pretend CCP will start to ban me if I go around and tell people I'm in fact GSF Logistics Director Kismeteer/PL Chief Angry Person Grath Telkin/Trustworthy Third Party Darknesss. But scamming requires people to be liberal with the truth, and since scamming people with more money than sense has a long tradition in EVE, I'm against any rule change that will curb this. (Especially since checking with Kismeteer/Grath/Darknesss if I'm really him is as trivial as sending an evemail and waiting for the reply.) Also the GM-provided interpretation saying that you can fall foul of the impersonation rule on your own character is pretty bad. Why would someone even give that. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Speaking of renting Delve. You realize it's against ToS for [CONDI] to rent [PBLRD] sov space now right? Since the character has no discernible in-game-mechanic affiliation with the alliance that holds the space he is misrepresenting himself (despite having a director alt in the sov holding alliance, because that is not verifiable in game as per CCP). NCdot, you hear that? Better start petitioning There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Le Creed wrote:Georgina Parmala wrote:
No we would not. Because discussion of moderation is forbidden.
This is a pretty draconian policy that I just learned about today. How are we as players supposed to verify that the moderation team isn't abusing their powers and the Rules/TOS/EULA is being accurately applied to violations. Sounds like something you would hear about in the Soviet Union, not discussing why your neighbor was imprisoned by the state. You aren't supposed to know. They just disappear There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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They were not desired in eve online anyway, who cares if they stop appearing There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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greiton starfire wrote:It is not an argument of gm's will now suddenly start enforcing the policy with bans. it's that down the road they are working to do that.
it is kind of like how they tackled botting. first they clearly defined what a bot is and then they slowly start punishing players. first a warning, then short suspensions, and eventually full account bans for as little as 2 offenses.
I in no way support botters. but this was a very effective program which reduced botting numbers drastically. and it appears that it is being employed against scamming and metagaming.
even if they are not working for it now, as someone else pointed out all it takes is a new senior gm who decides to enforce the letter of the law, which as it stands covers most aspects of metagame deception and many legitimate activities, most notably logistics. What a great direction for eve online There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Varius Xeral wrote:Why would I go to the great lengths involved in some of the greatest heists, upsets, coups, and underdog comeback victories that define this game if I don't even know whether or not it will all be reversed the following day according to some ill-conceived and irregularly-enforced rule? The vast majority of the player-driven story that supplies the flavor to all the mechanical actions that take place in the game is based on the freedom to deceive, and now they have both changed the written rules regarding deception and declared that their enforcement will be irregular and impenetrable.
"This doesn't affect me solo-grinding my levels fours in hisec..."
So then why the **** are you even posting about it? Because they are TOS compliant, unlike scammers, spies, etc etc There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Sol Kal'orr wrote:Kojaxe LeAppljaxe wrote:It's simple, to summarize the ToS:
Player stupidity is a bannable offense.
GM stupidity is a bannable offense.
imaright?
unsubscribing imminent. Not quite, it's more like: Metagaming is a bannable offense. Player stupidity can be petitioned to get your stuff back. Sounds good to me There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Mr Kidd wrote:In terms of existing and established game play, it's overly-broad in that it prohibits a wide swath of behavior with no definable allowance. There's not even a grey area. There's no black and white.....it's just all black.
At this point, you'd be a complete moron to misrepresent anything in the game which would prompt someone to report you. You can't know if you will be banned or not, regardless of CCP's assurances to the contrary.
This is what's so unnerving. The TOS says it's bannable, CCP is saying, no no we won't ban you. It'd be like your local municipality enacting a droit du seigneur ordinance and then going to great lengths to assure you it'd never happen. The question would then be, "Then why enact such an ordinance?" and the answer is always "because they intend to use it". EVE Online is pretty harsh eh There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Eram Fidard wrote:Not entirely sure why I bothered to read the last 17 pages...guess I expected some kind of developer response.
This is their excuse thread.
They close all the other threads, because the posts go here.
They then ignore these posts.
Or some CSM person comes in and makes things worse vov There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:And then, they hope that with a week or two of no contact from CCP, we'll all just forget, they can unsticky the thread, then prep for the next time they need to "clarify" the ToS.
Up Next: "Seriously guys, it's always been against the rules to infiltrate another alliance and steal secrets/assets. Here's the very specific prohibition that we are now rewording into an overly vague prohibition. All the same as last year!" I'd say it's working.
Yeah in a week's time it'll be forgotten even if they do nothing. You can put out a fire by denying it oxygen after all There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Amazing, how rabid 'bears consider out of game responses to in-game actions. Yes, account actions are out of game, as in not using a gameplay mechanic to accomplish goals. It's almost like the line between fantasy and reality is blurred.
See CCP, it's already happening. You are going to get massive petition blizzard, as people attempt to metagame their enemies into bans. Since it's all "case by case", you can just keep re petitioning until you finally get a GM whose "case" agrees with your goal.
And we're the crazy ones for following the Saviour of Highsec... Now all I need is someone to pass down the bee collective consciousness that I, personally, have been wronged by someone's tos violation and can now seek redress by means of petition.
For a fairly large set of someones, who all happen to be badguys that are red. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Daniel Plain wrote:La Nariz wrote:3. Admitting a mistake, apologize and rolling back to the old TOS wording. too late for that now. they told us repeatedly that "impersonation" is banned in other parts of the legal magic scrolls. the only reason most of us still have their accounts is that the people who are not smart enough to avoid scams are also not smart enough to file a petition. Well, they should learn then. GM bannings are a very powerful retaliatory tool There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Daniel Plain wrote:well, who can blame them? the way i see it there are only two valid courses of action: 1. hold their fingers still and hope that the whole thing blows over. What do you think is happening right now There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Shade Millith wrote:It's my damn job to make sure I'm talking to who I think I'm talking too, and if I'm foolish enought to just believe someone without evidence (namely having the character he's supposed to be get in contact), then it's my damn fault for being an idiot. Yep, and you can get back whatever you lost and get that badguy banned if you know about the TOS mechanics.
It's a means to get revenge, not unlike ganking ... except you (well the gm) can deal the best form of punishment. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Sol Kal'orr wrote:I just received an eve-mail informing me of a new courier service. If the person who sent it doesn't represent this new service can I petition him?
If yes, fix this. They are intentionally misleading you. Misrepresenting, if you would There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Shade Millith wrote:It's my damn job to make sure I'm talking to who I think I'm talking too, and if I'm foolish enought to just believe someone without evidence (namely having the character he's supposed to be get in contact), then it's my damn fault for being an idiot. Yep, and you can get back whatever you lost and get that badguy banned if you know about the TOS mechanics. It's a means to get revenge, not unlike ganking ... except you (well the gm) can deal the best form of punishment. One might say that learning about how to best make use of the eve online TOS and GM mechanics, you are able to do more to defend yourself and punish people to hurt you than someone who does not know.
In other words, it's like learning to fit a tank. Or the right way to make optimal use of your rack of blasters. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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greiton starfire wrote:so It's a new day, can we get a dev to weigh in on how this change in specific enforceable tos clause relates to their vision of the game. cause ill be honest I hate mmo's and eve is the only one i can stand to play. if you are moving to get in line with the others and get rid of scamming and metagaming then im out and i think a very good chunk of people are with me. Needs to be in a new thread, so this one can be locked and sent to the depths of the forums.
I think that CCP might prefer to forgot things like the humiliating CSM posts in this thread by that one person, you know what I mean There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:And at no time has CCP responded to one of the very first questions asked about the new policy (which they claim is not new at all) : why do ISDs in help channel say that the CFC is a group you are not allowed to impersonate, but the New Order is offered no such protection? There is no New Order
The New Order's highsec dream is over There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:But renaming a Vindicator 'Serpentis Admiral', in order to befuddle the weak minded or gain just a split seconds advantage due to confusion would be clearly covered by the new wording. The problem is the new wording severely limits deception and deceptive practices when used to gain an advantage, in other words everything great about eve. Almost everything from the forum brags to the carefully constructed interceptor guides contain elements of deceit designed to sway or trick those unwilling to think for themselves, and now they are to be partly shielded from the consequences retroactively by virtue of petitions, no more fail, try again, fail better. No, now it will be fail, petition, ban the naughty space person that hurt you, get stuff back. I agree and this is where we begin to run the risk of dumbing-down the game. Why should I be banned if a buyer doesn't have the brainpower to click on the little blue "?" to verify an item's true identity & value. Because he had the brainpower to petition you. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:It feels to me like CCP would people to play the game, and not out of context or "meta" ergo: scamming in game is allowed and using out of game methods is frowned upon. In fact, the new meta is petitioning people. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Aryth wrote:Anyone who has seen dealings with the GM team for any length of time will know how utterly insane some of their decisions are, so you have to escalate. Then it will get reversed, then the reversal can be reversed.
So please excuse the playerbase for not taking their word for their intentions. It is not that people believe they are evil, it is that we believe they are arbitrary far too much. Somehow more terrifying than being evil There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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LTHenrich Lehmann wrote:Now it may be that it stays as is and we have to live with it I like the way you think There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Varius Xeral wrote:LTHenrich Lehmann wrote:If that fails then at least we can point out that it was tried first. Again generally correct, except it appears the CSM is being quashed by NDA or something, as they are nowhere to be found. There was that one who said we were "ineffectually rioting" as well as being idiots for not just accepting it There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Le Creed wrote:It's pretty clear we as players don't want this TOS/EULA change so why continue to force it upon us? Your resistances only makes their TOS harder There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Orosono wrote:GM Karidor wrote:To throw the ball back to you: In the hypothetical situation that we were to take no action in such cases, you'd be rather annoyed about Joe once you got wind that he's ruining your hard earned reputation, wouldn't you? Given that such characters as Joe usually don't go about wandering in space very often, you'd have no real recourse of hounding him down until the end of time either. This is true, and absolutely how it should be. I was so hopeful CCP had learned their lesson about screwing with the great parts of the game; it seems I was overly optimistic. Too bad, that's how harsh eve is. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:So to summarise this change, the sandbox has been shrunk a little more, and we're coddling people just a little bit more, because we can't have someone being scammed in EVE Online
I also don't see any clarification on how this applies to loosely defined "groups" - there are plenty of corps or alliances that are friendly to one another and basically operate as a "group" but isn't defined in game or can be checked, similarly, James 'New Order' is a group that is spread across multiple corps and alliances
How do misrepresenting yourself work in cases like this?
PS I am a member of the new order, give me ten million isk and the new order will leave you alone. Come at me GMBros New Order doesn't exist, according to one of the other gm responses in the earlier (now locked and lost somewhere in page 4 or whatever) thread. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Yeah, that would make eve much better, an extremely tedious-to-read set of legal "books" and a "law" that can be continuously escalated until you achieve the result you wish.
Of course larger, more organized player groups blobs will probably have some people who will be able to specialize in advocacy. Nerf having friends There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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RubyPorto wrote:Demon Azrakel wrote:A part of me wants to start petitioning everyone who claims, rightly or wrongly, that ____ is their alt. This would, of course, happen in many recruitment situations, or when you are telling corp-mates who to contract their stuff to for a freighter hauling. Why just a part of you? CCP is explicitly telling you to do this. Impersonation is against the rules, CCP has a long standing request for players to report rulebreaking, and you have (per CCP's own posts) no possible way of weeding out false positives yourself, so why wouldn't you do your utmost to help CCP in its hour of need? I think their hour of need is trying to get the ccp approved lottery group out of player consciousness There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Xeen Du'Wang wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Although itGÇÖs been pretty quiet lately, we just wanted to let you all know that we havenGÇÖt forgotten about this matter. Customer Support is now working with Game Design to prepare material for discussion with the CSM, where this is going to be one of our main discussion points in the coming months. We have received lots of ideas and input on this that we will take into consideration and we look forwards to meeting up with the CSM and coming to a satisfactory resolution. what the ****? 'coming months'? so, you're going to keep shutting down peoples raffles but let Somer do their thing til then i suppose Yep Good stuff, it seems people do this "talk so avoid action" thing in other cases as well. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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